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The Sun Will Rise From Where It Set

Qa'im

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

A famous eschatological expression is that the Sun will rise from the West ( طلوع الشمس من المغرب من المحتوم ). In Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad (s) says, "When three things appear, a person's faith will not avail him if he had not believed before or did not earn goodness from his faith: (1) The rising of the Sun from its setting place, (2) The Dajjal, and (3) The Beast of the Earth." (ثلاث إذا خرجن لا ينفع نفسا إيمانها لم تكن آمنت من قبل أو كسبت في إيمانها خيرا: طلوع الشمس من مغربها، و الدجال ودابة الأرض ).

In my reading of the hadith literature, there is a strong indication that this Sun is not the star that our Earth rotates around, but actually a man. The Sun is a luminous golden object that brings light, clarity, guidance, warmth, and the growth of our crops. A narration about the Mahdi says, "The one whom Jesus the son of Mary will pray behind is the twelfth from the progeny, the ninth from the loins of al-Husayn b. `Ali [a]. He is the Sun that will rise from its setting place." ( إن الذي يصلي عيسى بن مريم خلفه هو الثاني عشر من العترة ، التاسع من ولد الحسين بن علي عليهما السلام وهو الشمس الطالعة من مغربها ).

A careful study of the Quran will show that light represents the religion (61:8, which Allah will always preserve) and guidance (2:257). 33:46 describes the Prophet as "an illuminated lamp" (siraj, a word also used for "Sun"), and 5:15 describes him as a "light". In one hadith, the Imam as-Sadiq describes the Prophet as the Sun in Surat ash-Shams ( الشمس رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله به أوضح الله عز وجل للناس دينهم ), and in another hadith, the "day" in 92:2 that follows the night is the Mahdi who will arise after oppression ( والنهار إذا تجلى قال: النهار هو القائم منا أهل البيت إذا قام غلب دولة الباطل ). The Mahdi's occultation is compared to that of the Sun behind the clouds ( وأما وجه الانتفاع بي في غيبتي فكالانتفاع بالشمس إذا غيبتها عن الابصار السحاب ).

These comparisons between the Mahdi and the Sun is a similitude to the Prophet. The Mahdi is the most similar man to the Prophet, because he is like him in form and in character ( أشبه الناس بي خلقا وخلقا ), and he will openly declare and explain the religion to the world. The Mahdi will take his example until Islam becomes dominant, manifest, clear, and overspreading ( بسيرة ما سار به رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله حتى يظهر الاسلام ). 39:69 says that the "Earth will shine with the light of its Lord", and the hadiths indicate that it will shine by the light of the Mahdi's coming ( وأشرقت الارض بنور ربها " قال رب الارض يعني إمام الارض، ).

This begs the question: if the Mahdi is the Sun, what does it mean to rise from its place of setting? Rather than saying that there would be a change of the Earth's axis, we should consider the root of the word gharb (غرب). It has come to mean "set", but in its most basic sense, it means "to become a stranger, odd, obscure, difficult to comprehend, and to go away and depart". This is because the Sun passes above us, then becomes "estranged" from us and leaves us, setting in the West. A stranger in Arabic is a ghareeb. This brings us to the Prophetic hadith, "Islam began as a stranger, and it shall return as a stranger, so blessed are the strangers" ( إن الاسلام بدا غريبا وسيعود كما بدا فطوبى للغربا ). Just as the Prophet came by himself to an adverse society, Islam would return in the Mahdi, who would be estranged from his community and coming with a call that most people will not be familiar with. It is said that, by the time of his coming, the religion of Islam will be barely recognizable from the principles taught by our Prophet, so much so that it will be as though the Mahdi is bringing a new religion. Imam `Ali said that the Qa'im would recommence Islam just as the Prophet did ( إذا قام القائم عليه السلام استأنف دعاء جديدا كما دعا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله ), and Imam Ja`far repeated the same idea ( يستأنف الداعي منا دعاء جديدا كما دعا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله ).

Just as the Mahdi faded into obscurity, he would return out of that obscurity. He is currently in the clouds, which is to say that the occultation has surrounded him in opaque confusion, but that his affect on the Earth is still present. His companions will also be strangers who are not recognized ( إذا يستغني الناس عن ضوء الشمس ونور القمر ويجتزون بنور الامام ), and they are gathered with him like cirrus clouds ( فيظهر في ثلاثمائة وثلاثة عشر رجلا عدة أهل بدر على غير ميعاد قزعا كقزع الخريف رهبان بالليل أسد بالنهار ). "At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory." (Mark 13:26) When he returns, "mankind shall have no need of the light of the Sun and the light of the Moon, and they shall pass by the light of the Imam." ( إذا يستغني الناس عن ضوء الشمس ونور القمر ويجتزون بنور الامام ). Meaning, they will be able to go directly to the Imam for guidance, and we will no longer need to seek out other sources of light.

May Allah hasten his luminous coming.

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Bismillah.

Salam Alaykum.

Allahuma sal e alla Mohammad wa all e Mohammad. Allahuma ajalee walaekal faraj. Ya Allah, Ya the Master of the day and night, Ya the Master of the universe, Ya the Master of the day of Judgment, please hasten the return of your proof on earth, our Imam e zaman a.s. and eradicate his enemies and give success and victory to his lovers, Ameen Ya Rabbul Alameen.

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Another possibility is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

We are many hundreds of thousands of years overdue a reversal of polarity, which is when the Earth's magnetic field flips.  When this happens, North on our compasses will be the current South, and vice versa.  And this means that West becomes what is now East, and so the Sun will rise from the West.  Geographically and astronomically, everything will appear the same; its just that East and West change places, because North and South do.

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On 11/12/2016 at 5:18 PM, .InshAllah. said:

Another possibility is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

We are many hundreds of thousands of years overdue a reversal of polarity, which is when the Earth's magnetic field flips.  When this happens, North on our compasses will be the current South, and vice versa.  And this means that West becomes what is now East, and so the Sun will rise from the West.  Geographically and astronomically, everything will appear the same; its just that East and West change places, because North and South do.

This isnt necessarily true (the "overdue" part).  If you have been reading up on magnetic reversals lately, feel free to enlighten me, but I would say that, looking at the past few million years is a relatively small data set to work with.  In the grand scheme of things, we could be thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years away from the next reversal and not overdue at all.

 

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Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

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6 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

Of course I would have to ask...why do you believe a reversal would kill us?

Here

http://www.livescience.com/18426-earth-magnetic-poles-flip.html

 

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9 minutes ago, iCambrian said:

Of course I would have to ask...why do you believe a reversal would kill us?

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I heard that it may cause earthquakes or ruin our ozone layer. What are your thoughts?

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37 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I heard that it may cause earthquakes or ruin our ozone layer. What are your thoughts?

Well, i think the article i linked seemed fine.  The magnetic field does protect us from radiation form space.  So alterations in the direction its facing probably wouldnt be the best.  But...if you buy into it, if reversals did occur, say every 500k years. If life has been here for several billion years, then...well, you get the idea.  Life has lived through countless reversals. We have survived through countless reversals, though we simply werent recording information back then and probably werent even aware of it.

So, a magnetic reversal alone, i dont think would be a means of extinction.  Even if hypothetically there were ill effects from it, i imagine mankind would work and do what we have to do to get by. As we always have i suppose.

For the planet to become inhabitable by mankind, i think it would have to go through some pretty rugged changes, not that such changes arent unheard of in earth history, but certainly unheard of  since...well i suppose 65 million years ago when the dinosaurs went down.

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10 hours ago, iCambrian said:

This isnt necessarily true (the "overdue" part).  If you have been reading up on magnetic reversals lately, feel free to enlighten me, but I would say that, looking at the past few million years is a relatively small data set to work with.  In the grand scheme of things, we could be thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years away from the next reversal and not overdue at all.

 

This  is from the NASA website:  

"Reversals are the rule, not the exception. Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal.''

 

So i would say based on the pattern of reversals over the last 20 million years, we are overdue a reversal. 

 

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

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9 hours ago, Qa'im said:

Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

From the same site that @.InshAllah. quoted (my bold):

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The science shows that magnetic pole reversal is – in terms of geologic time scales – a common occurrence that happens gradually over millennia. While the conditions that cause polarity reversals are not entirely predictable – the north pole's movement could subtly change direction, for instance – there is nothing in the millions of years of geologic record to suggest that any of the 2012 doomsday scenarios connected to a pole reversal should be taken seriously. A reversal might, however, be good business for magnetic compass manufacturers.

 

 

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2 hours ago, .InshAllah. said:

This  is from the NASA website:  

"Reversals are the rule, not the exception. Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal.''

 

So i would say based on the pattern of reversals over the last 20 million years, we are overdue a reversal. 

 

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

I don't think their " rule not exception" statement is referring to a 200-300k time phrame.  I think they're just saying that it happens, vs not happening. Especially since they immediately state that the most recent occurred over twice that time ago. 

 

to say something is overdue would be to imply that it is later than expected. But when you would expect it to occur changes based on your data set. So I guess it's subjective. You see what you want to see, you pick the set of data that you want to pick.

 

 

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6 hours ago, iCambrian said:

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If we look at a larger dataset, we can see that the current "inter reversal" time isnt uncommon at all (even in the past 30mya as NASA had referenced)

http://deeptow.whoi.edu/text/ck95.txt

Thanks for the picture.   It seems that the overall trend over the last 80million yrs is that these reversals are getting more frequent.  But this trend isnt smooth but rather choppy, and leaves room for the occasional  reversal to take a bit longer.  I guess the next reversal will be one of these that takes a bit longer

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On 11/17/2016 at 9:26 AM, YAli said:

This 'Pole reversal' thing, does this mean the earths magnetic fields will reverse, or does it actually mean the earth will stop rotating around it's axis, and reverse rotate the other way around? 

Earth's magnetic poles will reverse and (probably) nothing will happen to life, this process is underway as we speak. Earth spinning the other way around it's axis would be the result of some catastrophic impact, like the hypothesized impact that reversed Venus' rotation.

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On 11/15/2016 at 7:50 PM, Qa'im said:

Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

No it wouldn't this has happened many times in the past and guess what, a wide variety of animals are still here.  

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The physical Sun may as well rise from the West, this may be possible then. But this does not change what I said - our literature says that the Mahdi is this Sun rising from its setting place, that he is currently behind the clouds, that his companions are like cirrus clouds, that Islam would come back as a stranger (ghareeb, form the word gharb), and that he would light up the whole world. If the future scientists declare that the Sun will physically rise from the West in the year 3000 for example, this does not mean that Qiyama will occur that year, because all of our sources say that it will come unexpectedly. If the poles change place in our lifetime, and nothing happens thereafter, then you'll need to consider alternative possibilities and interpretations. This one, I think, is a very organic interpretation when you put everything together.

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      Ali b. Muhammad – Muhammad b. Ahmad – al-Abbas b. Ma’ruf – Abi Muhammad al-Hajjal – one of our companions – al-Ridha عليه السلام. al-Ridha عليه السلام mentioned al-Abbasi and said: He is one of the students of Abi al-Harith, that is Yunus b. Abd al-Rahman, and Abu al-Harith is one of the students of Hisham, and Hisham is one of the students of Abi Shakir al-Daysani, and Abu Shakir is a Zindiq. This example of shared language should not be taken to mean that Hisham was a blind-follower for he was a theologian in his own right. Hisham sought to re-frame the statements of the Imam into a coherent system while interacting with other thinkers of the time. Proof of this can be demonstrated by the fact that he authored the book Radd ‘alal-zanadiqa (كتاب الرد على الزنادقة) refuting Abu Shakir and his peers.
      In fact, the main influence of Abu Shakir on Hisham was confined to his theories on the natural world, what we might label ‘physics’. His theory of the interpenetration (mudakhala) of bodies corresponds, as is known, to the dualist belief in the mixture of light and darkness. Hisham’s support of this theory entailed the rejection of atomism in favour of infinite divisibility of matter and the thesis that bodies may pass from one place to another without moving through the intervening space (tafra).   
       
      Who was Abu Shakir?
      It is appropriate at this juncture to delve a bit more into this enigmatic person. Abu Shakir figures in many debates with Imam al-Sadiq in our literature. The historicity of these encounters cannot be confirmed. He is presented as a proto-Atheist who doubts the createdness of the world. The most popular question he is supposed to have asked the Imam was whether God could fit the whole world in an egg without enlarging the egg or making the world smaller.  
      Abu Shakir has been labelled a Zindiq. The exact connotation of this term is open to debate as it lacks a precise definition and has been used in different contexts over time. The word generally means apostate or freethinker but can also have a much more precise meaning of ‘Manichean’ (followers of Mani). The latter was a religious movement well-known for its Dualist cosmology as a model for explaining the world i.e. the idea of two principles which ‘mixed together’ and caused everything to emerge from them.
      In this case, the latter interpretation seems better supported in light of the fact that Abu Shakir has been referred to with the title ‘al-Daysani’. The Daysanites were distant followers of one called Bardesanes (Ibn Daysan) who died six years before Mani was born. Ibn al-Nadim says that Bardesanes ‘was called Daysan after the river near which he was born’. Bardesanes (d. 223) had indeed lived in Edessa as ‘the son’ of the Daysan which flowed through the city and occasionally overflowed its banks. His school lived on in Edessa into the late 7th or early 8th century.
      Bardesanes was a major influence on Mani and his followers became virtually indistinguishable within the larger Manichean tradition. All these streams subscribed to variations of the same dualist cosmology.
      Abu Shakir lived in a Kufa that was a boiling pot wherein diverse traditions mixed. It was a mileu without rigid boundaries between different sects and where borrowing was rampant. What were seen as heresies and persecuted by certain rulers were tolerated by others. Abu Shakir became infamous for his polemics and was finally crucified in the Khilafa of the Abbasid Caliph al-Mahdi before the year 785.
       
      The Correct Position
      What was the Aimma’s position in this debate? The answer is very clear from the reports presented. They never spoke using Greek-influenced neo-platonic terminologies. They rejected the use of the term ‘body’ for God, pointing out the fact that any ‘body’ would by definition be finite and mortal - qualities which do not apply to God.
      What is not understood is how Hisham answered this charge. How was he able to reconcile between the truism that every body by definition has constraints (limits) with his conception of God? It is possible that he felt his statement ‘a body unlike all other bodies’ was inclusive of transcending the limits inherent in other bodies. But if that were case then what would be the the sense of holding God to still be a body. Does not the term lose significance? God must share one or some aspects with other bodies for the word to retain meaning. What aspect would that be?
      It is possible that his acceptance of the system of Abu Shakir and Jahm was so complete that he felt that the definition of any ‘thing’ (shayy) as ‘existent body’ (jism mawjud) was axiomatic. A starting point which must be accepted before any further theological speculation can continue. God had to be a thing because if He was not then he was nothing, from which follows ‘God was a body’ in his system. What kind of body? A body unlike any other body. But still a body in at least some sense. And that is the rub of the problem. 
       
      To be continued ... 
    • By Abu Nur in Pearls of Wisdom
         1
      Then to Him belongs praise,
      in place of His every favour upon us
      and upon all His servants, past and still remaining,
      to the number of all things His knowledge encompasses,
      and in place of each of His favours,
      their number doubling and redoubling always and forever,
      to the Day of Resurrection;
      a praise whose bound has no utmost end,
      whose number has no reckoning,
      whose limit cannot be reached,
      whose period cannot be cut off;
      a praise which will become
      a link to His obedience and pardon,
      a tie to His good pleasure,
      a means to His forgiveness,
      a path to His Garden,
      a protector against His vengeance,
      a security against His wrath,
      an aid to obeying Him,
      a barrier against disobeying Him,
      a help in fulfilling His right and His duties;
      a praise that will make us felicitous
      among His felicitous friends,
      and bring us into the ranks
      of those martyred by the swords of His enemies.
      He is a Friend, Praiseworthy!
      Al-Sahifat al-Sajjadiyya Supplication 1
    • By Hameedeh in Think Positive
         13
      Two years ago I became a minimalist. I'm not talking about music, sculpture or painting, but minimalism in my life. I read about creating a minimalist home, but I did not buy the book:
      http://zenhabits.net/a-guide-to-creating-a-minimalist-home/
      So, I am thrifty and I buy very little. Whenever I am shopping and see a dozen things I want to own, I question myself. Do I have storage space for this? Is this really necessary? Will I really love it or is it just something that I never had before and always wanted to have one? Just wanting to possess something is not a good reason to buy it. Could I take a photo of it and just look at it, without spending my money? This must be a good reason to join Pinterest, to have all the things you want to look at, but never need to buy, store or move them. 
      As you have seen, my ShiaChat blog is minimalist by nature. I usually say very little, because if there is one thing that I know, it is that I recognize great writing when I see it, but I am not a good writer. I hope to become a better writer some day, and in the meantime, I invite you to my tumblr. Please, if you can, start at the last page which shows my first post (a prayer for the safety of 12th Imam AJ) and then scroll your way up, and over to previous pages in chronological order, the way my brain was working. 
      http://hameedeh.tumblr.com/page/3
      ♥ May your days be sunny, your nights restful, and your heart satisfied with the blessings that Allah has given you. Think Positive. ♥
    • By shadow_of_light in From Earth to Heaven
         0
      "Indeed Allah taught me and He taught me well"*
      *"ان الله ادبنی فاحسن تادیبی"

      During these thousands of years, God tested me frequently until I got permission to return to Him.
      Now, I am going to fly; but how can I do it without my wings?
      Everytime I committed a sin, I lost one of my feathers. I must find the feathers and rebuild my wings.
      I found a feather at the foot of the Rocky Mount and another feather in a rivulet, floating in the water. One feather was close to the Mirror of Truth and many feathers were around the Square House.
      I am going to fly towards paradise... Towards paradise?!... No!...Somewhere higher...much higher than paradise.
      Somewhere that even Gabriel cannot go...I need to make my wings stronger than Gabriel's.
      I am going to fly to Qab-e Qawsain...To Qab-e Qawsain and maybe closer**
       
      Footnotes:
      * a narration from the prophet (s)
      ** surah Najm: 8. Then he came near, and hovered around. 9. He was within two bows’ length, or closer.
       
      ------------------------------
      کاروانی از ملائک تا به عرش
      ردشان کرده فلک را نقش نقش

      میزبان بی نظیری شد بهشت
      از برای مردمان خوش سرشت
       
      تا بیاید بهر دیدار خدا
      کرد روح خویش را از تن جدا
      قیدها و بندها را باز کرد
      تا به اوج آسمان پرواز کرد
      چهره اش روشن تر از مهتاب شد
      آفتاب از خجالت آب شد
       
      اینک از منازل تاریک و ظلمانی نفس عبور کرده و از خود به سوی خدا مهاجرت میکنم...
      *********
      ان الله ادبنی فاحسن تأدیبی؛ خداوند مرا تربیت نمود و چه نیکو تربیت نمود!

      در این چند هزار سال پروردگار مرا به اموری فراوان امتحان فرمود تا اینکه سرانجام توانستم جواز عروج به سوی او را اخذ کنم. آیا رخداد خوشی که بهار خبرش را به من داده بود، همین نبود؟

      اینک عزم پرواز دارم ولی پرنده که بدون بال نمیتواند پرواز کند حتی اگر در قفس برایش گشوده باشد.
       باید چاره ای اندیشید. برای بازگشت به موطنم باید به سوی آسمان پرواز کنم. باید بالهایم را پیدا
      کنم.  
      هر بار که گناهی میکردم پری از بالهایم جدا میشد. باید پرها را پیدا کنم تا بتوانم بالهایم را بسازم.
      پری را در پای کوه سنگی یافتم و پری را در جویباری، روان بر روی آب. پری را در کنار آینه حقیقت و پرهای بسیاری را پیرامون خانه چهارگوش

      میخواهم به سوی بهشت پرواز کنم... به سوی بهشت؟! نه! نه! به جایی بالاتر، خیلی بالاتر، جایی که حتی جبرئیل هم نمیتواند به آنجا راه یابد. باید بالهایم را قدرتمندتر از بالهای جبرئیل بسازم...
      میخواهم به سوی قاب قوسین پرواز کنم... به سوی قاب قوسین و شاید هم نزدیکتر*
       
      * ثم دنی فتدلی. فکان قاب قوسین أو أدنی
    • By shadow_of_light in From Earth to Heaven
         0
      در عالم حشر, تابنده رخش
      هر که نکرد گوش, بر اهریمن زشت
      کاخی است بهر او, فاخر, باشکوه
      پرده اش از حریر, وز طلایش خشت
      باغ آن پر گل, فصلش همیشه بهار
      در کنارش هیچ است, ماه اردیبهشت
      ...
      Part 2:
      This was Satan's last trick which didnt work.
      He said disappointedly: do you remember that once I gave you some helpful advice?
      I replied: yes.
      He said: so you owe me a lot! Now, ask God to forgive me!
      Gabriel appeared and told Satan: If you wish God to forgive you, prostrate before Human.
      Satan said: I will never do it. When Human was not my enemy, I didnt agree to prostrate before it. How can I do it now while it is my enemy?!
      Gabriel said: Once, when you lived in heaven, you heard that, in the near future, one of the worshippers would be punished and cast out of heaven.
      At that point, you prayed for everyone but yourself. You were so proud that you didnt think that you yourself could be the worshipper who would be cast out of heaven.
      Satan began crying.
      And I remembered him laughing while I was crying in the court.
      Satan became weaker and weaker until he died among the ruins of his palace.
      Then his corpse, as those of his followers, caught fire and burnt to ashes. And the earth swallowed the ruins of his palace.
      Satan died; on that day when I decided to never sin; on that moment when he became completely disappointed in me.
    • By shadow_of_light in From Earth to Heaven
         0
      He said: migration is not moving from one place to another one but it is moving from yourself to God and God is at infinity so your journey will last for ever.
      چشمهایت دیگر نمیبینند؟ باشد, اشکالی ندارد
      چشمهایت خسته اند, خوابیده اند, فقط خوابیده اند
      گریه را ول کن, غم مخور, آرام باش
      پیداست در چشمهایت هفت رنگ رنگین کمان, جایگاهت آسمان
      خورشید نور دیده ات, ماه هم تاج سرت
      پایداری و صبوری, در پی نوری, ولی
      در درونت روشن است نوری, آری تو همان روشندلی
      دیدی اشکالی ندارد؟
      ....
      ....
      I said: I am a traveller. Who are you?
      She said: I am a seeker. I am looking for someone who can wake up my eyes by God's will.
      I asked: Cannot your eyes see?
      She replied: No. They are asleep!
      I asked: Why?!
      She replied: I lost someone whom I loved and then I cried so much that my sight went.

      I asked: How we can find the person whom you are seeking?
      She replied: Hoopoe has just told me that it had seen this person hereabout.
      I said: Hoopoe?! I know it! How kind and loyal it was!
      She asked: How do you know it?!
      ...
      She asked: where was your rendezvous?
      I replied: under ziziyphus tree.
      She asked:...
      ...
      ...
      She asked: are not you the same person who cleansed God's house from idols?
      ...
      She asked: Are not you the same person who didnt agree to reside in Satan's paradise?
      ...
      ...
      She offered her cane and said:
      This is an extraordinary cane.
      Its power is not from magic but
      it is a special blessing given to it by God.
      Use it whenever you feel you are in danger.
      I asked: how?
      She said: just throw it on the ground.
      I asked: do you know Satan?
      She said: yes, he is your enemy.
      I said: I am going to kill him.

      She said: so you must never sin.
      Only in this way, can you kill him.
      ...
    • By Ali in ShiaChat.com Blog
         15
      [This will be a series of blog entries on the history of ShiaChat.com; how it was founded, major ups and down, politics and issues behind running such a site and of course, the drama!  I will also provide some feedback on development efforts, new features and future goals and objectives]
      Part 1 - The IRC (#Shia) Days!
      Sit children, gather around and let me speak to you of tales of times before there was ever high-speed Internet, Wi-Fi, YouTube or Facebook; a time when the Internet was a much different place and 15 year old me was still trying to make sense of it all. 
      In the 90s, the Internet was a very different place; no social media, no video streaming and downloading an image used to take anywhere from 5-10 minutes depending on how fast your 14.4k monster-sized dial up modem was.  Of course you also had to be lucky enough for your mom to have the common courtesy not to disconnect you when you’re in the middle of a session; that is if you were privileged enough to have Internet at home and not have to spend hours at school or libraries, or looking for AOL discs with 30 hour free trials..(Breathe... breathe... breathe) -  I digress.
      Back in 1998 when Google was still a little computer sitting in Larry Page and Sergey Brin’s basement, I was engaged in armchair jihadi-like debates with our Sunni brothers on an IRC channel called #Shia.  (Ok, a side note here for all you little pups.  This is not read as Hashtag Shia, the correct way of reading this is “Channel Shia”.  The “Hash tag” was a much cooler thing back in the day than the way you young’uns use it today).
      For those of you who don’t know what IRC was (or is... as it still exists), it stands for Internet Relay Chat, which are servers available that you could host chat rooms in and connect through a client.  It was like the Wild West where anyone can go and “found” their own channel (chat room), become an operator and reign down their god-like dictator powers upon the minions that were to join as member of their chat room.  Luckily, #Shia had already been established for a few years before by a couple of brothers I met from Toronto, Canada (Hussain A. and Mohammed H.).  Young and eager, I quickly rose up the ranks to become a moderator (@Ali) and the chatroom quickly became an important part of my adolescent years.  I learned everything I knew from that channel and met some of the most incredible people.  Needless to say, I spent hours and dedicated a good portion of my life on the chatroom; of course the alternate was school and work but that was just boring to a 15 year old.
      In the 90’s, creating a website was just starting to be cool so I volunteered to create a website for #Shia to advertise our services, who we are, what we do as well as have a list of moderators and administrators that have volunteered to maintain #Shia.  As a result, #Shia’s first website was hosted on a friend’s server under the URL http://786-110.co.uk/shia/ - yes, ShiaChat.com as a domain did not exist yet – was too expensive for my taste so we piggy backed on one of our member’s servers and domain name.
      The channel quickly became popular, so popular that we sometimes outnumbered our nemesis, #Islam.  As a result, our moderator team was growing as well and we needed a website with an application that would help us manage our chatroom in a more efficient style.  Being a global channel, it was very hard to do “shift transfers” and knowledge transfers between moderators as the typical nature of a chatroom is the fact that when a word is typed, its posted and its gone after a few seconds – this quickly became a pain point for us trying to maintain a list of offenders to keep an eye out for and have it all maintained in a historical, easily accessible way.
      A thought occurred to me.  Why not start a “forum” for the moderators to use?  The concept of “forums” or discussion boards was new to the Internet – it was the seed of what we call social media today.  The concept of having a chat-style discussion be forever hosted online and be available for everyone to view and respond to at anytime from anywhere was extremely well welcomed by the Internet users.  I don’t recall what software or service I initially used to set that forum up, but I did – with absolutely no knowledge that the forum I just setup was a tiny little acorn that would one day be the oak tree that is ShiaChat.com.
      [More to follow, Part 2..]
      So who here is still around from the good old #Shia IRC days?
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